What an interesting topic -so valuable and perhaps justifies a separate topic area . sorry if I get some of the technical names of forum activity wrong but on the topic itself I feel able to comment on some of the aspects so well raised already on the basis of "me" in particular. Remember we all have a "me". To explain the above comment this is "me". I like being called Kenneth. Thats the name my mother gave me, not Ken. I,m an oldie, I'm 74. I discovered music at about 17 years old and this has been my visual inspiration ever since- To hear great music to me is to see great images. Not however to be overdone-see later. I,m a long standing member of a ,first cine, now video club. At about 24 I took alpine slides but moved on to film later but do not subscribe to the view that movies are superior to AV (I have friends who do) My view is that there are subjects which cry out for movie treatment and others which need the details inspection of a fixed image- AV. I see videos which ought to be AV and the sometimes the reverse. Now you know me I will comment on some of the issues raised in this splendid topic. Alan Lyons mentions rolling over in bad weather. This one I do have some reservation about. My wife (Eileen) and I went on a trip to the Westonbirt- It was a organised visit so the date was fixed and the weather was very wet. (Westonbirt is the UK's National Arboretum-Tree garden- wonderful in Autumn) The point to mention is that inclement weather can produce some beautiful images- you have no deep shade to contend with allthough depth of field may be problematic. (Actually late afternoon sunlight is the last thing you need because only the tops of the trees are lit and the many acers are in deep shade) Ronnie speaks of "old film based methods so different to digital" to which I agee but there are things to be learned from each of them. One important device the film editor requires is what is termed "cutaways"- these are used to compress time and DenWell referes to "merely images arranged to music" I have a derogatory remark covering this which is "wall to wall music" and this insills boredom in the audience as does a continuance of very simular images. In my case following yesterday, a sequence of beautiful trees fadeing one into another. What is needed is a cutaway- something associated with the main subject line but quite different too it. In my example a pile of logs- and the colour and detail were made more distinctive because they were WET. MUSIC. My inspiration here was the film Henry 5th. prolog comes onto stage and says something like "On your imaginary forces call"- and it is here that William Walton's wonderful score comes in. Then Prolog says "imagine you see the upreared horses.....) and the music goes up. I call this "Music, the flux of immotion" In other words only use the music sparingly and to immotionally to fit the imagary. I did'nt know I was going to wax so lyrical for so long and I apologise for that. You might well disagree with a lot I have mentioned but so be it. A final point is that I cannot spell- but you have probably realised that by now. Cheers, Kenneth.