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Hi LumenLux Thanks for the update. Yes, I'd be very interested to see the UK show from Bussty. I'll keep a look out for it.............I have just received one directly to my email address from a guest who has read the topic (couldn't find his name in the members list, so I assume he is a guest) - in the process of downloading it, and will review. I shall also go off and look at the rogues gallery! Have fun The Image Suite

Hi Ron Are you asking me or making a statement? The Image Suite

Hi LumenlLux Re your comment about creating a third image from two pre-shot images - these are my suggestions for what you will need to consider; 1. Careful selection of the two images to be used 2. Positioning of the composition within each image and especially where the third image is going to appear - you need to avoid distraction elsewhere in the images 3. Sometimes the background - note Ron had changed the background behind the figure to suit his purposes (If I recall correctly he had darkened it?) 4. Often the colour blends in each image, particularly in the third image area - don't get caught out by a dark on dark third image 5. Timing - fade in/fade out long timings are generally the best - they give the viewer the chance to recognise the third image - which more often than not means that you can't use this quite technique so successfully in an up tempo show (perhaps you may disagree Ron?) 6. Storyboard - whilst many members on this site don't necessarily consider the use of a storyboard, and just prefer to display their photos in an audio-visual gallery (and that is not a criticism, merely an observation), a good sequence will generally tell a story or provide a message or take you on a given path, so the third image has not only to be relevent to the storyboard but can ably lead into the next part of the sequence - (I have seen some that were purely stuck into a sequence because the author felt it was a nice third image, which it was but it wasn't relevent to the rest of the sequence) - but, hey, this is only one opinion, and I am the first to accept I don't have a monopoly on this! Have I left anything out Ron? Hope this helps The Image Suite

Hi All Interesting to see that out of 195 hits on this topic, we have only a small number voicing an opinion.........! Cat got your keyboard?

The Image Suite is pleased to announce the launch of its new website at www.theimagesuite.co.uk - we hope you will come and visit, both on the net and directly via our workshops.....you'll be most welcome. The Image Suite

Hi All I said I'd let you know when the website is up for you to get details of the workshops....well, it's up and running! www.theimagesuite.co.uk Hope you like it...........and it would be great to see some of you at the workshops....... The Image Suite

Hi Alan And I thought I was the only 'concerned one' amongst many av'ers most of whom were all eager to use every transition available! You guys have restored my faith! Perhaps I can encourage the 'elevation' of the third image in my workshops.... Thanks for your input Alan, as you say, it's great that it has got people thinking if nothing else.......let's see more use of it from all the members. Regards The Image Suite

Thank you for the warning.............perhaps Igor could comment please? The Image Suite

Hi Ron I see you have been busy........again! Thanks for the contributions.......most appreciated. Let's hope you get a good number of hits on your 'Third Image' sequence and it influences members to try it...........I was beginning to think that the 'art' had been lost! Anyway..........I like the effect. Regards The Image Suite

Hi LumenLux That would be good......I'd love to see it. The Image Suite

Hi LumenLux Examples?.....I'll have to have a closer look through the a/vs before I'd specifically quote any to you from this site.........most of my work is highly commercial stuff, and it isn't on my client's agenda to be looking for third images! But sure, I'll let you know when I come across some............ Have fun experimenting............. The Image Suite

Michel I am not sure if you can achieve a half transition, but as an alternative you could try reducing the opacity of the slide in photoshop and then returning to the first slide....experiment with the opacity of the images on a blended basis or as Ron says, you could cheat a bit and sandwich two slides together to create the third image. Ron Yes it can be done that way very successfully, but I find it more challenging trying to create the third image with only two images.........each to their own Thanks for your comments gentlemen The Image Suite

Hi LumenLux Thank you for your contribution.......very interesting. The great thing about audio-visual and particularly with the changes in technology and skill levels etc, is that we never stop learning and these forums are great for keeping up with the old and the new...... Re elaboration - this is my explanation of the 'third image' - I am sure that others will have their own opinons and views............... In the world of the traditional audio-visual shows using twin projectors, it is possible, during the dissolving of the slides to create a third image. This generally occurs when the intensity of both lamps in the projectors reaches a certain point and more often than not, the dissolves are approx half way through – one slide entering and one slides leaving. It was always the AV developer's ambitions to get good quality ‘third images’ in to the show, and this is no mean feat! It seems to me that with many of the ‘transitions’ in digital audio-visuals, this ’third image’ effect is being lost or forgotten, assuming the developer knew of its existence in the first place. Experiment with a few slides and extend your transition times say to 15 or 20 seconds for each slide on a standard fade/dissolve and you will start to see what I mean…………it doesn't suit all images so you have to be very selective when choosing the images for this type of scenario....... The Image Suite

Hi Ron Interesting comments........you may well be right..........I wonder what our US friends have to say about that? I don't see any reason why a pro photographer (even one's doing weddings) can't use the third image though! As you say, perhaps its just an electronic album set to music used for commerical purposes........... I would go further though to suggest that the new enthusiasts perhaps haven't heard of the third image - or am I just being controversial ? Thanks for your input The Image Suite

Website should be available next week.........watch this space!

Hi all Are modern transitions killing the third image? I should be interested to learn of member's views in respect of whether or not digital software is killing the use of the third image. I have viewed a number of presentations on this site, and elsewhere and apart from a handful of people, (whom I imagine may have been converts from the slide projector days), the use of third image appears to have gone into decline - or is it just hibernation? Please let me know what you think............ The Image Suite

How are you progressing with your a/vs Sweetpea?

Hi DJ Pictures-to-exe is a good software but it has it's limitations......it won't do the type of transitions nor animation that you require. I use other varieties of software for animation work. You can interface p-t-e with a flash software but you must be very careful in its use. The Image Suite

Hi Barry Prices range from £15.00 per workshop upwards............ FYI - I don't sell tutorial disks

Hi Barry In answer to both questions…..it very much depends on which programme the delegate wishes to attend – I currently have a Beginners programme (5 day residential) and a more Advanced (4 day residential)[probably Intermediate is a better description bearing in mind your vast experience - and this will be changed shortly to reflect such with a further programme being added] and have just introduced one day and three day programmes on a variety of subject matter all to do with a/v. Overall, we cover everything, subject to attendees previous experience, from the use of the digital/35mm cameras or using negatives/slides/scanning etc, improving their photography and composition etc, basically from scratch through to, planning the a/v story, image manipulation software especially Photoshop V7 and Elements, audio – where to find the music, how to download, edit it etc copyright, text, narration, sound effects, animation, and, naturally the a/v software. It is a ‘hands-on’ workshop…..with small numbers – and all very practical. Hope this helps........

Hi Al I have come to learn that nothing is free in this world! Website is currently under construction........and will be available within the next two or three weeks......it's currently with the programmer. I have a pdf file for the 4 and 5 day workshops, and the others are being prepared. I am also sourcing venues in France at the moment. If you'd like me to forward the pdf then drop me a line at theimagesuite@aol.com Re the software......I cover Pictures-To-Exe, GlobFx, (which despite its need for a suitable graphics card, is an excellent software for a/v use) and SWiSH. Sometimes work with Premiere and ProShop Gold but the P-t-e, SwiSH and GlobFx are my preferred for the workshops. Regards The Image Suite

Hi I'm new to this site, but thought that you may be interested to know that I have just launched a new series of audio-visual workshops. The promotional material, with your agreement Bill, will be uploaded shortly, in the form of an audio-visual but details can be obtained directly from me. I am running evening classes in South Wales, one day courses, 3 day a/v breaks in Wales, Devon and possibly the Cotswolds (or any other suggested locations) and 4 and 5 day residential programmes in Mid Wales. So if any of you guys or gals outside the UK want a fun house-party holiday centred around a/v workshops with stunning scenery, then let me know. More to follow later......................! The Image Suite