davegee

Hi Argonaut, I think that we possibly have a terminological problem here. I agree that LR is NON-DESTRUCTIVE DURING the editing process (as is PS), but at some stage you have to SAVE your image at which point we have to consider what is NON-DESTRUCTIVE or LOSSLESS. (Once the file is saved the edits become DESTRUCTIVE). My criteria would be that in a LOSSLESS SAVE no compression is applied AND the original file is recoverable when the saved file is re-opened. RAW files satisfy both criteria. PSD files satisfy both criteria (albeit that you can't recover a RAW file from a PSD). TIFFs satisfy just the one criteria - no compression is applied - but you cannot recover the original file before editing took place. JPEGs satisfy neither criteria. So, in the spirit of the the original post here LR is no different to any other editing package. Opening a JPEG in ANY package, editing it and re-saving it is a LOSSY/DESTRUCTIVE process. DaveG

I asked for this as soon as Ver. 5 appeared. Igor seemed to think that it was too difficult at that time. DaveG

Hi Argonaut, Did you mean "The RAW is never changed, no matter what editing you do" because that is exactly what I argued right at the beginning of the discussion. Lightroom, ACR, NX2 are only "lossless" when working in RAW and even then there are limitations on what you can do. DaveG

Hi Argonaut, Might I (VERY RESPECTFULLY) suggest that your methodology is flawed because you haven't actually edited the files before successively re-saving? The whole point about the discussion is that it has been suggested that a JPEG be opened from within PTE to carry out an edit step. The two attached files are the original and sixth save in a procedure which actually involved edit steps. Both are actual pixels crops from the 1024x768 originals. When these are placed on layers in PS and the sixth toggled on and off there is a discernable difference between the two. DaveG

Hi Colin, I too, have made the same point regarding MP3s on previous occasions. For most practical purposes you probably won't tell the difference between save 1 and save 2 but try comparing save1 with save 5 or 6? My remarks were intended to indicate GOOD PRACTICE - nothing more. DaveG

I stick by what I said but in deference to both of you I will amend: "REPEATEDLY opening a JPEG in PS, editing it and re-saving involves a further step of compression EACH TIME and hence loss of quality HOWEVER SMALL. You SHOULD be going back to the last saved TIFF or RAW file IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE HIGHEST QUALITY. DaveG

With regard to "matching" text box position / size etc I just copy a text box from one slide to the next in O&A and change the content as required. Being able to copy to multiple slides would be an advantage - I could then alter each one individually - it would save me a lot of time. DaveG

Control Panel - Folder Options - File Types. See what JPEG is associated with - if you want it to be CS2/CS3 click on CHANGE and alter it. However, double clicking on a JPEG from within PTE does not have that effect. Right click on a JPEG in the slide list and click on EXPLORER - you have the option to "Edit With Photoshop". Personally, I would never advise this because opening a JPEG in PS, editing it and re-saving involves a further step of compression and hence loss of quality. You SHOULD be going back to the last saved TIFF or RAW file. DaveG

Congratulations, Maureen - you are doing some wonderful work. Anything which gets young people interested and occupied gets my unreserved applause! DaveG

Here's a link to an article worth reading (be sure to watch the videos) - step 4 in particular (Stick to your native resolution). http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10163_7-5912625-1.html?tag=nav DaveG

I suspect that you are setting "Fullscreen" mode and 4:3? The black rectangle then represents your screen size - your monitor resolution. If you add a 1024x768 to this and set "original" in O&A / Common your image should then be a proportionate size in the middle of the rectangle. "Fit to slide" will fill the screen on your monitor and interpolate the 1024x768 image up to 1600x1200. I have produced a "Monitor Resolution / Aspect Ratio Comparator" for each of the different aspect ratio monitors. If it is of any interest I could e-mail you a copy of the 4:3 version. It will be around 5Mb. Send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will get it to you. DaveG

I would differ with Lin on just one point: When saving the intermediate audio files with fades I would save as WAV and not MP3. The compression applied to MP3 files is cumulative in audio just as it is with JPEG in image files. I would bring the three uncompressed WAV files back in to the AUDACITY project to create the composite - hence only compressing once. DaveG

You need to use something like AUDACITY (free download) or AUDITION which will allow you to assemble the three tracks, cut to the correct length and blended together into one track. Save as a single MP3 and add to your project. Adjust each set of 43 to its section of music in the TIMELINE. I haven't checked your maths - I assume that 43 x 4 is 2m 52s? Alternatively you can create your three 2m 52s tracks with fades using AUDACITY again and add all three tracks, but the collective wisdom at this forum is that you should use just one track. DaveG

Hi Frank, Regardless, I still believe that, for now, I would like to see things that can be easily done utilizing packages such as PS left alone. There are other more pressing things that I think we would all like to see implemented. From your comments here and in your other thread on text animation I take it that what you want is a higher quality version of PSG? DaveG

Totally agree Peter, but I think that the complications arising out of building transitions on objects into the programme is not / are not warranted for something which can be done via PS. I see what you mean though, about combining opacity with transition. I keep PS open while building in PTE and it is simple to go from one to the other to make adjustments to a PSD file for something like this. I see danger in making PTE so complicated (versatile) that beginners can't get a grip of it straight away and dump it for that reason. DaveG

Have you checked your TV book to see what res is supported by the PC input? As I said previously, the HDMI input supports 1360x768 but the PC input only supports 1280x768. So whatever aspect ratio you choose in PTE will show within a 1280x768 screen (on mine). Your 16:9 is fitting within the 1280x768 screen (and being re-sized downwards). If yours is the same as mine and you try a 1280x768 show you should get the full height with black lines to the sides. Put a white line around the image to make sure that you are seeing the full image. DaveG

Maybe I'm also misunderstanding, but isn't the following possible: Slide one - image one one left side (RHS Blank) Slide two - image one LHS and image two RHS Slide three - image two RHS and image three LHS etc. You don't have to use objects - create each slide in PS. Each slide then has its own transition which does not effect the image being duplicated. DaveG

The book with the Sony specifically lists the max res for the PC input as 1280x768. Your TV is probably the same. Let's hope that the PC / HDMI adaptor works and is available soon. You could then create a FULLSCREEN 16:9 show using 1366x768 images and should get ACTUAL PIXELS on the TV. (1360x768 displays a thin line on each side 1366x768 covers the screen perfectly). Unless you laptop supports 1360x768 on its monitor you will have to select the TV only option and black out your monitor. DaveG

Without a HDMI connection you appear to be snookered. A lot of new laptops, particularly but not only Sony, now feature them in order to play Blu-Ray DVDs thro' TVs. The Sony TV has 7 AV inputs, one of which is for HDMI. I have seen DVI / HDMI adaptors but not PC / HDMI - maybe someone else has more info - Conflow? Obviously, if you were in the market for a new laptop, it would be something to consider. DaveG

You need to check the spec of the TV - it will indicate what pixel dimensions to use. My Sony is 1366x768 and I can use these figures to create a fullscreen PTE show when linking my laptop to the tv via HDMI. The laptop output is set to 1360x768. However, although I haven't tried it, the same figures when connecting via the normal PC connection are 1280x768. The secret is to use HDMI if you have it available. I can tell you that the result via HDMI is absolutely stunning and well worth the cost of the cable. DaveG

With or without music. MP3? DaveG

More details: Size of image in pixels? Monitor Res? Full screen or Windowed Mode? DaveG

It is probably irrelevent to THIS discussion but if you are including portrait images in what appears to be a 3:2 aspect ratio show (1024x683) and are not performing any zoom effects the the HEIGHT of the portrait images need be no more than 683. DaveG

You guys certainly have a lot more faith in judges than I do! I agree 100% with Mike's last paragraph. DaveG

I shall pass on that. DaveG