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Yes that's right you wrote the same thing, I didn't see that before, sorry, but I agree with you. You also wrote : I would like you study my proposal and tell us if it would be OK for you, as you were a computer programmer, you must understand it very easily.

Thanks Morasoft, I have to add some features more in order it's complete, bur the most important is done, now.

Jean-Claude made sometimes ago a good work about this subject, it's here. I agree on most part of his proposal, it must be updated with new features, but his work can be the idea to improve. What do you think about it ? The initial post is here It seems to me that in a first time, the V5.6 must have only new features and in a future version modify PTE in order it's most usefull for everybody, if we try to do both works, new features and ergonomics it will take a long time and not sure the job will be good, it's always difficult to do 2 things at the same time.

Thanks Lin, the most important for me is to be understand, it's not easy for me, even in french. I worked on this subject for a month, compiling all requests about it and try to put in the suggestion. Your help is very important for me. Thanks, Maureen, that's right that sometimes there are slideshow with original mode as object level one and it's a problem when we don't see the slideshow at its native definition, the both solutions will make that impossible.

The proposal about Format in post #82 and # 83 is finish. I have spend a lot of time to explain exactly how it could work. I have made simulations of all options I explained with V5.5 and Pre-beta 5.6, the PTE engine works perfectly to obtain good result with the method I explained above. As it seem most of users don't understand why I used cale, (a method to say to PTE which is the nominal format) and most people seems to find normal to work in percent (or pixels depending or the screen definition), I was obliged to show that it's possible PTE work with objects in original mode as do Paintshop and others. You can take an hour and try to understand, I spent more to try to make PTE better and it's everybody who are concerned for the future. It's fun to see some people who always say that a not resize slideshow was the best rule for quality, laught when I try to obtain this possibility. It's easiest than try to do something.

I send you a suggestion about mask, I think it would be more comprehensive for user as the actual system with container, easiest to use and powerfull.

How it's possible? I never see any difference on a screen, even from moire. We probably haven't the same experience. Please, be enough curious to save a file at 300 dpi and at 72 dpi, and compare them with a tool, you will see no byte are different, there will be exactly the same.

Very interesting feature, thanks.

The number of DPI doesn't change anything on a screen, it's only when we print.

I made a test yesterday about the problem and was abble do do a slideshow with V4.49 which include 7000 photos in 7000 slides the weight of the exe was near 2 Go, I made another one with 6604 1440 x 1050 size pictures, the exe size is 2 047 988 Ko and it run fine, I succeed to do an exe which was 2 097 000 Ko and it also run but it don't stop with escape, oblige to kill the process. I have 2.75 Go RAM (4Mo phisically) on my system, maybe the reason, but I wouldn't understand.

Put in PTE the format 15:10 PC, it's enought, all will be OK for you. (It's in screen options)

It would at least interest Barry Beckham who want to have original size for his slideshow made on his 1280 x 1024 screen and that people with a smaller screen couldn't see correctly

The post above was too long for Firefox and I couln't edit it with Firefox to continue. So I have edit it with Internet explorer and cut a part and past here 3 - Tiled background picture In order it's the same options as today for users and works with this proposal, there are some calculations to do : 1 - Resize the picture to fit the hight of it to the hight of the nominal format : ......Nominal format hight / Picture hight = Full hight tiled picture ratio 2 - Resize the result with the percent we put in Customize slide window ......Full hight tiled picture ratio x Customize percent for tiled picture = Customize nominal ratio for tiled picture 3 - Resize the new result with the same 2 values use for "Virtual parent Format" ......Width zoom tiled picture = Customize nominal ratio for tiled picture x Width zoom ......Hight zoom tiled picture = Customize nominal ratio for tiled picture x Hight zoom An exemple of calculation : Real size of Tiled picture 500 x 500 Size of image (in Customize slide window) : 50% Others parameters are the same than sixth example of 2.4 Windowed mode in previous post Nominal size of format : 1152 x 768 % Format size on screen : 90 Windowed mode at 1920 x 1280 with "Fit to screen if too large option" Screen definition : 1792 x 1344 With : ......Width zoom = 139.93055556% ......Hight zoom = 140.10416667% 1 - Resize the picture to fit the hight of it to the hight of the nominal format : ......768 / 500 = 153.600% 2 - Resize the result with the percent we put in Customize slide window ......153.600% x 50% = 76.800% 3 - Resize the new result with the same 2 values use for "Virtual parent Format" ......107.46666667% = 76.800% x 139.93055556% ......107.46666667% = 76.800% x 140.10416667% The size of the tiled picture on this screen will be : width = 537.332 px (1), hight = 538 px (1) the value would really be 537.33334; but the least step for pixel is 1/256, so the nearest value is 537.332 4 - Copyright logo It could be possible to have only Pan and zoom as informations to put the Copyright logo but in order it's the same options as today for users and works with this proposal, there are some calculations to do : 1 - Resize the logo to fit the hight of it to the hight of the nominal format : ......Nominal format hight / Logo hight = Full hight logo ratio 2 - Resize the result with the percent we put in Customize Copyright logo window ......Full hight logo ratio x Customize percent for logo = Customize nominal ratio for logo 3 - Resize the new result with the same 2 values use for "Virtual parent Format" ......Width zoom logo = Customize nominal ratio for logo x Width zoom ......Hight zoom logo = Customize nominal ratio for logo x Hight zoom 4 - We also have to calculate the horizontal and vertical pan for the different actual options and the value of the offset for the nominal format : .....There are 2 parameters for this position : ........1 - a position ........2 - an offset value The final position of the center of the logo for nominal format depend of the reference position (0% or 100%) + or - the offset which is a percent of half format + or - half of picture for nominal format (width or hight). 4.1 - Horizontal Pan for nominal format : Left................................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 Right..............................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 Center............................Always 0 Left-Top.........................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 Right-Top........................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 Right-Bottom...................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 Left-Bottom.....................(Width_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_width) / 2 4.2 - Vertical pan for nominal format : Top................................(Hight_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 Bottom...........................(Hight_nominal_format x (100% - Offset_percent) - Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 Center............................Always 0 Left-Top..........................(Hight_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 Right-Top........................((Hight_nominal_format x (Offset_percent - 100%) + Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 Right-Bottom...................(Hight_nominal_format x (100% - Offset_percent) - Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 Left-Bottom.....................(Hight_nominal_format x (100% - Offset_percent) - Customize_nominal_ratio_for_logo x Logo_hight) / 2 5 - The pan's value for nominal format are, as the size of the Logo, to be resize by the Width zoom and the Hight zoom 5.1 - Horizontal pan on screen : Horizontal Pan for nominal format x Width zoom 5.2 - Vertical pan on screen : Vertical Pan for nominal format x Hight zoom 5 - New option in "Advanced option" Fit to screen main image : In order begginers or those who want to do very quickly a slideshow with the pictures from there cameras, an option (default option) will ask to PTE, instead to put a defaut value of 100% on the main image to calculte an put the right value as zoom for the main image when it is put in the slideshow, and only when cerate a slide with a picture. The default value of format could be a fixed value like 1024 x 768 or the current screen definition when creating the slideshow, value that we can change after. In both solution, PTE would calculate the minimum ration between Hight of current format / Hight of photo and Width of current format / Width of photo and put the value as zoom for the photo, so we'll have the same use as to day 6 - Why it would be simplest and better for users 6.1 - First, with the new screens options : ..........1 - We could have the possibility to reduce all the slides and not only the main image, which is a problem today to use this function. ..........2 - When format would be reduce, there won't be possibilty to see object around when pan zoom or rotation it would be easiest to modify the size of a slideshow to ajust it to the safe-zone ..........3 - It would be possible to do slideshow in original mode but which could be see correctly if the screen definition isn't enough (was a problem for Barry Beckhm for instance) ..........4 - PTE could be used to drive several video-projectors as it was posible with V4 and V5 ..........5 - It would be possible to put a screen background picture (outside of the format) as it was possible in V4 when using Copyright logo as screen backgroug and objects for pictures ..........6 - The option for shadow wouldn't be on all objects as today, which isn't easy to use, but around the format, which would be easiest to use. 6.2 - With the method of virtual parent Format ..........1 - As PTE know for which nominal size it's original mode, it can calculate exactly which is the good resize for width and the good resize for hight when the ratio on another screen definition isn't the same as for nominal size. So that, nominal size picture will be always exactly the same size as Format, with even value : picture will never crop as to day it's possible (a very little) or don't be a little smaller than format on screen with problems of lines on the borders (enough to be see by everybody). ..........2 - The virtual parent Format as the same effect on its children as a normal object, so it is not necessary to have several mode for objects, they all can be as is the original mode, they will be ajust to the screen by the object Format, the value of pixel for Pan won't depend of the definition of the screen we have but of the format definition, we will choice, exactly as we do when using Photoshop or other, when you make a rectangle selection, the number of pixel never depend of the screen you use. It would be easy to read the exact values we need in Photoshop and put them in PTE, it's impossible today with V5.6. ..........3 - The picture will not be resize for nominal format if all zooms of object and parents are at 100%, with other mode you often be obliged to put 6 figures after the entire value. It's really easiest to put a picture always at 100% than be obliged to choice between cover and fit and then calculate the zoom and put its exact value twice if more than 3 figures after entire value. .......... Nobody will be enough courageous to calculate and put the right percent and we will lost precision it's easy to have today with less work (Sorry, I am lazy). ..........4 - As PTE would know the nominal size of the format, it could use the standard size for fonts as does all programs and not a percent, it would enough easy, I think, to do. To day it's impossible. 7 - For PTE It would need only one algorithm for relationship parent-children, this algorithm exist. The calculation with a pen and a sheet of paper are simplest with an virtual parent "Format" and all objects in original mode than the 2 others mode, I don't see any reason it would be different for a computer. PTE would have more possibilities as today. I have simulate on V5.5 and V5.6 all the examples, even for the calculations of Tiled background picture and Copyright logo, all is absolutely perfect. All the part of PTE would have exaltly the same resize, it's not absolutly true to day, Tiled background picture and Copyright logo are always resize with there hight, the others objects, sometimes on there hight, sometimes on there width, it depend of the mode option, the shape of the parent and the shape of the object (good exercise against Alzheimer). PTE 5.6 can easily be modify to work like I suggest, it will really be simplest to use. This choice seems to me very important for the leadership of PTE for quality of pictures and assemblies, don't lose that. In all product which works with pictures, like Photoshop, PaintshopPro, Pixbuilder and so on, the reference for pictures are always give in pixels, and the position of others pictures put above the background image have they position always in entire value of pixel (be abble to put a not entire value in PTE is very good), never in percent. So that it's possible to give a value for fonts. Why use another method than this one in PTE, in which it's the current screen definition and the format which are the reference, why others products would be wrong ? Warning : I made a mistake with translation, I used the word "Odd" instead the word "Even", I have correct the words I found, but it's possible I forgot one. Thanks to Peter to give me the right word.

This proposal complete the first one and use a function to correct the problem we had when slide show run on a screen definition which isn't the one chose by author. 1- Structure The idea is always to have a format we define as nominal when building the slide show, for instance 1920 x 1280. This virtual object will be resize by PTE, always with even dimensions, depending of its original size, the screen definition or the values of window (for windowed mode) and a percent of screen we choice. PTE will calculate and put it an horizontal zoom and a vertical zoom. The picture below show the structure and the relationship between all PTE elements : The relationship between the virtual object Format and its children is exactly the same as this between object level 1 in original mode and object level 2 in original mode as we have in V5.5. The values of Pan, Center, Rotation are always at 0, Zoom values, calculted by PTE aren't necessary the same. This virtual object can have a real shadow. All the objects in Object and animation Window have the same carateristics than actual objects in original mode and position in Pixels we have today in V5.5. No option to chose between Fit and Cover, only one mode. 2- Screen options There are 5 options about adjust the format (or not) to screen or Window : - The full format is Fit to screen - The full format is in original mode if screen definition greater than format definition, and fit to screen if screen definition smaller as format definition (as it was in V4 for Main Image) - The full format is Fit to height of screen - The full format is Fit to Window, with 2 Options for Window : ..... - The window is always at the size which is define (as in V5.5) ..... - The window is at its size if the screen definition is greater, and is Fit to screen if the screen definition is smaller (as in V5.6) An option permit to ajust format in % of its full size (today it's only on main images) ......2.1 Fit to screen option Calculation of the format : 1 - define the usefull area : ......Screen_width x Percent_format_on_screen = Width_area ......Screen_hight x Percent_format_on_screen = Hight_area 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......Width area / Width nominal format = Width ratio ......Hight area / Hight nominal format = Hight ratio ......Ratio = min (Width ration;Hight ratio) 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (Width_nominal_format x Ratio / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (Hight_nominal_format x Ratio / 2) x 2 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width_zoom = Width_on_screen / Width_nominal_format ......Hight_zoom = Hight_on_screen / Hight_nominal_format The part of calculation in blue is the same for all screen options If we take the example above, the size of the nominal format is 1920 x 1280. We use a screen definition 1792 x 1344 display (4:3) We fisrt choice 100% as format size on screen the values will be : 1 - define the usefull area : ......1792 x 100% = 1792 ......1344 x 100% = 1344 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1792 / 1920 = 93.33333333% ......1344 / 1280 = 105.0000000% ......Ratio = 93.33333333% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 x 93.33333333% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 x 93.33333333% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1792 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1194.66666667 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (896) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (597.33333333) x 2 ......Width on screen = 896 x 2 = 1792 ......Hight on screen = 597 x 2 = 1194 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1792 / 1920 = 93.33333333% ......Hight zoom = 1194 / 1280 = 93.28125000% Now we choice 90% as format size on screen the values will be : 1 - define the usefull area : ......1792 x 90% = 1612.8 ......1344 x 90% = 1209.6 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1612.8 / 1920 = 84.00000000% ......1209.6 / 1280 = 94.50000000% ......Ratio = 84.00000000% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 x 84.00000000% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 x 84.00000000% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1612.8 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1075.2 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (806.4) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (537.6) x 2 ......Width on screen = 806 x 2 = 1612 ......Hight on screen = 538 x 2 = 1076 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1612 / 1920 = 83.95833333% ......Hight zoom = 1076 / 1280 = 84.06250000% On a 1920 x 1440 screen definition display,with 100% as format size on screen, the 2 zooms of format would be at 100% and objects above the format wouldn't be resized by it. ......2.2 Nominal size if screen greater, else Fit to screen Calculation of the format : 1 - define the usefull area : ......Smallest value between (Width_nominal_format;Screen_width) x Percent_format_on_screen = Width_area ......Smallest value between (Hight_nominal_format ;Screen_hight) x Percent_format_on_screen = Hight_area Others calculations like for Fit to screen option (point 2 - 4) If we take the example above, the size of the nominal format is 1920 x 1280. We use a screen definition 2048 x 1536 display (4:3) We fisrt choice 100% as format size on screen the values will be : 1 - define the usefull area : ......Smallest value between (1920; 2048) * 100% = 1920 (Width) ......Smallest value between (1280; 1536) * 100% = 1280 (Hight) 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1920 / 1920 = 100% ......1280 / 1280 = 100% ......Ratio = 100% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 x 100% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 x 100% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (960) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (640) x 2 ......Width on screen = 960 x 2 = 1920 ......Hight on screen = 640 x 2 = 1280 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1920 / 1920 = 100% ......Hight zoom = 1280 / 1280 = 100% Now we choice 90% as format size on screen the values will be : 1 - define the usefull area : ......Smallest value between (1920; 2048) * 90% = 1728 (Width) ......Smallest value between (1280; 1536) * 90% = 1152 (Hight) 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1728 / 1920 = 90.00000000% ......1152 / 1280 = 90.00000000% ......Ratio = 90.00000000% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 x 90.00000000% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 x 90.00000000% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1728 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (864) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (576) x 2 ......Width on screen = 864 x 2 = 1728 ......Hight on screen = 576 x 2 = 1152 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1728 / 1920 = 90% ......Hight zoom = 1076 / 1280 = 90% The others examples are as Fit to screen (see 2.1) ......2.3 Fit to hight Calculation of the format : 1 - define the usefull area : ......Width_nominal_format / Hight_nominal_format x Screen_hight x Percent_format_on_screen = Width area ......Screen_hight x Percent_format_on_screen = Hight area Others calculations like for Fit to screen option (point 2 - 4) If we take the examples above, we'll see that we can ajust a slideshow on several screens at the same time. Today we only do that in V5.5 in Windowed mode, without possibilities to fit to hight. For the fisrt example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 4800 x 1200 for 3 screens or video projectors having a format 4:3 with a definition of 1440 x 1080. The % format on screen is 100%. 1 - define the usefull area : ......4800 / 1200 x 1080 x 100% = 4320 ......1080 x 100% = 1080 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......4800 / 4320 = 90% ......1200 / 1080 = 90% ......Ratio = 90% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (4800 x 90% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1200 x 90% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (4320 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1080 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (2160) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (540) x 2 ......Width on screen = 2160 x 2 = 4320 ......Hight on screen = 540 x 2 = 1080 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 4320 / 4800 = 90% ......Hight zoom = 1080 / 1200 = 90% For the second example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 4096 x 768 for 4 screens or video projectors having a format 4:3 with a definition of 1280 x 960. The % format on screen is 100%. Note : the 2 screens in the middle are see as only one screen in horizontal and are see as a 2560 x 960 screen definition (see graphic card parameters) 1 - define the usefull area : ......4096 / 768 x 960 x 100% = 5120 ......960 x 100% = 960 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......5120 / 4096 = 125% ......960 / 768 = 125% ......Ratio = 125% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (4096 x 125% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (768 x 125% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (5120 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (960 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (2560) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (480) x 2 ......Width on screen = 2560 x 2 = 5120 ......Hight on screen = 480 x 2 = 960 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 5120 / 4096 = 125% ......Hight zoom = 960 / 768 = 125% For the third example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 4800 x 2400 for 6 screens or video projectors having a format 4:3 with a definition of 1440 x 1080. The % format on screen is always at100%. Note : the 2 screens in the middle are see as only one screen in vertical and are see as a 1440 x 2160 screen definition (see graphic card parameters) 1 - define the usefull area : ......4800 / 2400 x 2160 x 100% = 4320 ......2160 x 100% = 2160 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......4320 / 4800 = 90% ......2160 / 2400 = 90% ......Ratio = 90% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (4800 x 90% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (2400 x 90% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (4320 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (2160 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (2160) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1080 x 2 ......Width on screen = 2160 x 2 = 4320 ......Hight on screen = 1080 x 2 = 2160 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 4800 / 4320 = 90% ......Hight zoom = 2400 / 2160 = 90% For these 3 examples, the calculations could be simplest but here, it use the same way of caculation as the others options ( blue lines). This option is usefull for those who make stereo slideshows, cinemascope slideshow and wall of images. There are today, since several years V4 and V5 slideshows like that, now with mask it's more possible because we can easily make Pan, Zoom and Rotation on such slideshow, before it was impossible or very difficult. ......2.4 Windowed mode (2 options) For these modes, the format is always "Fit to Window" Calculation of the format : 1 - define the usefull area : ....1.1 Without Option "Fit to screen if too large" (as in V5.52) : ......Window_width x Percent_format_on_screen = Width area ......Window_hight x Percent_format_on_screen = Hight area ....1.2 With Option "Fit to screen if too large" (as in 5.6 beta #1) : ......Smallest value between (Screen_width;Window_width) x Percent_format_on_screen = Width area ......Smallest value between (Screen_hight;Window_hight) x Percent_format_on_screen = Hight area Others calculations like for Fit to screen option (point 2 - 4) For the fisrt example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 2048 x 1536 screen definition with 100% for "Format size on screen" with or without the option "Fit to screen if too large", the result will be the same : 1 - define the usefull area : ...1.1 - Without option "Fit..." ......1920 x 100% = 1920 ......1280 x 100% = 1280 ..1.2 - With option "Fit..." ......Smallest value between (2048;1920) x 100% = 1920 ......Smallest value between (1536;1280) x 100% = 1280 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1920 / 1152 = 166.66666667% ......1280 / 768 = 166.66666667% ......Ratio = 166.66666667% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 x 166.66666667% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (768 x 166.66666667% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1920 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1280 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (960) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (640) x 2 ......Width on screen = 960 x 2 = 1920 ......Hight on screen = 640 x 2 = 1280 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1920 / 1152 = 166.66666667% ......Hight zoom = 1280 / 768 = 166.66666667% For the second example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 2048 x 1536 screen definition with 90% for "Format size on screen" with or without the option "Fit to screen if too large", the result will be the same : 1 - define the usefull area : ...1.1 - Without option "Fit..." ......1920 x 90% = 1728 ......1280 x 90% = 1152 ..1.2 - With option "Fit..." ......Smallest value between (2048;1920) x 90% = 1728 ......Smallest value between (1536;1280) x 90% = 1152 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1728 / 1152 = 150.00000000% ......1152 / 768 = 150.00000000% ......Ratio = 150.00000000% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 x 150% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (768 x 1150% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1728 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (864) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (576) x 2 ......Width on screen = 864 x 2 = 1728 ......Hight on screen = 576 x 2 = 1152 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1728 / 1152 = 150.00000000% ......Hight zoom = 1152 / 768 = 150.00000000% For the third example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 1792 x 1344 screen definition with 100% for "Format size on screen" without the option "Fit to screen if too large", the usefull area is the same as in first example : 1 - define the usefull area : ...1.1 - Without option "Fit..." ......1920 x 100% = 1920 ......1280 x 100% = 1280 The result for format on screen is the same as for first example : 1920 x 1280, the window (1920 x 1280) will be cut on screen (as in V5.5 today, very usefull for Slideshows which needs several screens or video-projectors) For the fourth example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 1792 x 1344 screen definition with 90% for "Format size on screen" without the option "Fit to screen if too large", the usefull area is the same as in first example : 1 - define the usefull area : ...1.1 - Without option "Fit..." ......1920 x 90% = 1728 ......1280 x 90% = 1152 The result for format on screen is the same as for second example : 1728 x 1152, the window 1920 x 1280) will be cut on screen (as in V5.5 today, very usefull for Slideshows which needs several screens or video-projectors) For the fifth example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 1792 x 1344 screen definition with 100% for "Format size on screen" with the option "Fit to screen if too large". 1 - define the usefull area : ......Smallest value between (1792;1920) x 100% = 1792 ......Smallest value between (1344;1280) x 100% = 1280 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1792 / 1152 = 155.55555556% ......1280 / 768 = 166.66666667% ......Ratio = 155.55555556% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 x 155.555555567% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (768 x 155.55555556% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1792 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1194.66666667 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (896) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (597.33333334) x 2 ......Width on screen = 896 x 2 = 1792 ......Hight on screen = 597 x 2 = 1194 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1920 / 1152 = 155.55555556% ......Hight zoom = 1280 / 768 = 155.46875000% For the sixth example we have a slideshow with a format definition of 1152 x 768 and a 1920 x 1280 window on a 1792 x 1344 screen definition with 90% for "Format size on screen" with the option "Fit to screen if too large". 1 - define the usefull area : ......Smallest value between (1792;1920) x 90% = 1612.8 ......Smallest value between (1344;1280) x 90% = 1152 2 - search the minimal ratio between Width of area/format and Higth of area/format ......1612.8 / 1152 = 140.00000000% ......1152 / 768 = 150.0000000% ......Ratio = 140.0000000% 3 - Find the value of the format on screen which must be an even value : ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1152 x 140% / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (768 x 140% / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (1612.8 / 2) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (1075.2 / 2) x 2 ......Width on screen = Nearest entire value (806.4) x 2 ......Hight on screen = Nearest entire value (537.6) x 2 ......Width on screen = 806 x 2 = 1612 ......Hight on screen = 538 x 2 = 1076 4 - Calculate the values of zoom to put in the virtual parent "Format" ......Width zoom = 1612 / 1152 = 139.93055556% ......Hight zoom = 1076 / 768 = 140.10416667% Continued on next post

Some bugs in "Size/position in pixels pixels of parent" When modifying first the position and the the size, the modification of size we do are lost. When selecting all a value to replace it sometime put 10000.000 instead of the value we put (not always) When making a rotation on an object then put 0 for rotation, the new value of position become wrong see here the screenshot It's a problem that pixel's value are given for the current screen definition. I know it's impossible to find a solution today, because we don't give to PTE the information about the nominal size we want (this information was given before with the size of the Cale).

Lin, I think you don't really see the problem about original size, I'll try to be understand, but it's very difficult. I often made slideshow with a nominal size for my picture of 1920 x 1080 (Versailles for instance), so when I work with Paintshop (it would be the same with Photoshop), I made my future effects in it above a picture of 1920 x 1080 in several layers, sometimes I have many and many layers in which are parts of the background photo (for instance the rectangles in Versailles, 45 for the same slide). I know exactly how many pixels are between each part of photo between 2 layers. This number of pixels is for a definition of 1920 x 1080. When I work, my screen is too little (19") to work easily with 1920 x 1440 screen definition (my eyes are old), so I work with 1280 x 960 screen definition, but the number of pixels I have from Paintshop is for a 1920 x 1080 definition (my picture). When I work with PTE, in the past, I put a "Cale" of 1080 x 2 in Fit to screen and all my objects as child of this cale in original mode, and when I put 2 rectangles for instance, the diffence between there center was exactly the same number of pixels as in Paintshop. Now, with the tool Igor made, the number of pixels you put depend of the screen definition you are using. Example to be understand, here is a simple rectangle put at 50% of zoom. When I am in 1280 x 960 screen definition, the values of position are 320; 240, the same object when I use a 1152 x 864 screen definition become 288; 216. I don't want to be obliged to use a screen definition equal at the nominal definition of my slideshow to report exact value without having to calcultate each size or position value. It's not original mode, sorry. Another point, it's possible to use this new method for position when the rotation is 0, have you try it with a rotation of 30° for instance. May be I am not enough good, but I am enable to use it at this moment. With 1152 x 864 screen definition, the object in pixels is 576 x 432 With a 1280 x 960 screen definition, the size is now 640 x 480, that show that the number of pixel depend of the screen definition and will not be the size of the object in PaintshopPro or other if I decide to use another definition than this of my screen. With this example, may be you can use position information, but I am enable to use it. Note there is a bug I report here but will also put in the right topic : if I put 0 for rotation instead of 30, the calculation of position become wrong The correct position is 320; 240

It was I though, you see, sometimes we have the same logic Thanks a lot to you and your team

Many new fetures in this beta Version. New slideshow's engine : Among the numerous feature, one is important and we don't see it : it' the new engine, and it's really better now, it doesn't use CPU when nothing move in the slideshow as V4 does. In V5, the CPU was always used. Bravo to Igor and team for that. The "Anti-shimmering (mipmapping)" : The first good idea is that it work only for 85% or less of global resizing, so, no problems of quality at 100% and it seem to have an effect which grow up between 85 % and about 50 % of resizing (difficult to make measurement). It work better than blur and have not the default of blur at 33.333 %. New 3D transition effects between slides: Very nice, now that you made perspective on a rectangle during a transition, I think many people will ask you soon to do the same for objects Mask objects for creating of special effects : Also very nice (and more) it permit many effects very fantastic, maybe it's possible to make it a little easiest and a little powerfull (parent-child function on mask) Here is a little example of what we can do with mask Music and sounds when you click "Play" button for preview : Very interesting, maybe a pause button to stop where we are would be usefull to put a keypoint at the good place. Added "Color outside slide area" : A good feature Added export of slideshow as a video : I have especially test HD video, the quality of pictures is very good, the only problem is that is not enough smooth for some effects, when a title move or a photo with a white frame for instance. I made hundreds test about this problem, and am now sure that it's smooth for all slideshows at 60 fps and only with a screen synchronized at the same value (50 fps aren't enough for some slideshows, even on a 50hz screen). It would be interesting at least for 1280 x 720 definition to have this possibility (for Full HD today, only very few PC are abble to read smoothly, too much power required) Note : be carefull, the mp4 are on 0-255 range and not on 16-235 range, so if the player hasn't the good parameter, there will be too much contrast. On some graphic card you can choice the range for video (Nvidia 9600 for exemple). "Original size" mode of objects has been replaced : I have made a suggestion which seems to me more interesting for everybody, more simple and more logical. it's in this topic I hope that my explanations are enough clear, if not, ask question.

Igor, you wrote me : Please could you suggest ideas how to improve it and make more suitable for you? But please take in attention that not all users know about this method. And If it's possible to use Original sized objects with another technique, and we know, users use it, we have to support all possible variants usage of Original sized objects. And I as explained Original sized objects placed directly onto slide will not be shown correctly in small video size output (iPhone, Youtube), different display resolutions. So, here is my proposal : About format what we need as users ? We have photos or others and we want they are see correctly on all screens without distorsions, so : 1 - We need to respect the ratio we need as PTE do today. So we have to define the format (what PTE do today). Sometimes some people want there slideshow is 95% of the screen, and others want to do DVD in PAL:SECAM or NTSC, unforunately most of TV in Europe need a safe zone. 2 - So we also need to be abble to have the slideshow reduice at 95 or 90%, not only the main image but all the slides. 3 - We also need to have nicer slideshow to have the choice to have an outside background from format with a color (as you did in 5.6) and also gradient filling or picture. 4 - A global option about shadow would be nice, not on all objects as today, but around the format. 5 - We also need to choice with which screen definition we want to have a not-resized slideshow (for instance on my Full HD TV : 1920 x 1080) 6 - We also must have the possibility to choice between 4 options on how to see the slideshow : - Fit the format to screen, with a ratio between 0 and 100% (near as today, but not the main image but the entire format). - Fit to screen when screen definition smaller than nominal format definiition, else nominal (original) size as did V4 for main pictures (a good solution for Barry Beckham) - Cover screen (nominal size) mode for all screen definition (even if the screen definition is smaller) - Windowed mode as it work in V5.52 (with ability to have the slideshow on several screens or not, with 5.6 to day we only can use 2 screens). Project Options ... With the option "Fit to screen main image", a newbee will easily put his photos, even they aren't at the good size, when putting a picture in the slideshow, PTE will calculate the zoom to put on this picture in order it is at the maximal sire without be cut. For the normal users of PTE they will make this option diseabble and PTE will not calculate a zoom, the default value is 100% as today. Screen Options : The tiled image is always centered and can be scale from 0% to 1000% (or another value highter than 100%). PTE resize it with the same value as for other objects, depending of the ratio between hight of format on screen and hight of format definition (see above for K definition). This in order a picture beginning inside the format, can continue outside the format without default even the screen definition change Options Fit to screen "Fit to screen when screen smaller than format, else original mode" do as in V4 : when the screen definition is highter than the format definition, it stay in original mode (at the size of the format definition), if the screen definition is smaller, the format is fit to screen (it will solve Barry Beckham's problem). It also could be call "Original mode" Others options : Cover mode could be used for several screens slideshow or if we want a 16:9 slide show can be fulscreen on a 4:3 screen format (of course a part will be cut). Windowed mode has an option "Fit to screen if too large", the same as in V5.6 for windowed mode, and when unselected, without resize the format as in V5.5 in order to have the possiblity to make a slideshow on several screens or videoprojectors. About format resizing : You can download Excel file here The method consist to have a shadow object at level 0 with a size equal at the format definition and wich would be resize in order its hight is the same as the one of the format on the screen. In the example above, this shadow object with a nominale size 1152 x 768 would be resized on a screen with 1280 x 960 definition at 1278 x 960, corresponding at a shadow zoom of 110.967500% and as parent of all the others objectc, this shadow zoom would modified them. The objects with such method As they are the children of the shadow object level 0, they can be in original mode (for the format we chose) and they all be resized with the same value by the shadow zoom of shadow object level 0. So no need to chose a format and no need to have a tool to calculate the size and/or the position. The position is as today in pixels between parent's center and child's center, nothing to change, and no need "Cale", easiest for everybody and less calculations (we don't make calculation about the size of the parent with the choice between fit to and Cover to resize a child). To have an exact position, no need to have 8 numbers after the point of a value, 3 are enought (the most precision we need is 1/256 for the pixel position). I have try to be so clear as I can, if you have questions, ask me. I really think to a simplest and logical method, most of what we need to do it is inside V5.52, only few features more are necessary to do it, and as you wnt there will be only one method for calcuation to support for the future. With this method, all objects placed directly onto slide will be always shown correctly, even in smal video size output No need for user to know Cale method, they work with PTE as they do today, but without to think wich mode to chose (and make mistakes), objects will always be resized as the format.

I am afraid that you kill original mode, PTE can't be so perfect as to day without this function, it would be a mistake. I have made many tests about that. As I wrote you, it's possible to define a nominal format and work only with pixels (it's easier than in percent) and have for all the project a function to chose to make the format full screen or original size, so no need to chose between two mode (fit or recover). Many people work like that, I am not alone to use this function.

Hi Igor, I hope you enjoyed, and hope you'll come in France one day. Bests regards

Have a god trip, think to enjoy it and forget PTE for few days.

Very nice effects, thanks for the job.

I think that what you want will be possible with V5.6, what Igor show in his demo make me sure that more complex effects will be possible.

That will give us many possibilities as made Gates effect on an object, made a zoom in a window as the test I did with V5.1 and many other things. I could try some ideas. Maureen, who is this play boy ? He also come to Paris where he will be welcome and we have La butte Montmartre, le Moulin rouge, Pigalle, les Champs Elysées, la Tour Eiffel et .... les petites françaises !!!