davegee

I have now been able to try the test that I asked for. Using the SAME DVD made in PTE with no provision for TV Safe Mode: A Standard DVD Player (no upscaling) requires that TV Safe Mode be provided for in order to play the DVD and not lose anything from the edges of the frame. A Blu-Ray Player (with upscaling) plays the same DVD and does not require that any provision for TV Safe Mode be included. Barry and Peter both reported this but were unable to play the same DVD on anything other than their BR Players. My thanks to them. The Blu-Ray Player also has provision for inputting video files made in PTE via USB (same as my TV) and, so far, has played both H.264 MPEG4 and MPEG (.mpg) files successfully and with excellent quality. I will do a full roundup of all options and close this thread down. Someone suggested that a Standard DVD Player (with upscaling) would also do the same thing - if that could be included that would be great. It seems that provision for TV Safe Zone is still required with certain DVD Players and is NOT a function of the TV but the type of player used. DG

Can we not agree that the color space most widely used by PTE devotees is sRGB and that sRGB is the color space most likely to give the best results? We seem to be entering an era in the PTE forum where every little word or phrase is subjected to the utmost scrutiny and generalisations are strictly forbidden! DG

That's a new one -- but it was color space related. Peter - I had already mentioned SFTW in post 5. DG

We need two samples. One which does not desaturate when used in PTE and one which does. Peter, see post 5. DG

Post two samples of a saturated and desaturated example? Leave the Metadata intact. If you are using Photoshop try saving via "Save for the Web" this will enable you to see what to expect from the output JPEG. If it looks OK in "Save for the Web" but desaturates in PTE let us know? DG

A couple of possibilities the most likely being that your various JPEGs are in different colour spaces. The correct colour space for PTE is the sRGB colour space. If you are using JPEGs SOOC (straight out of camera) then the different cameras might be set one to sRGB and the other RGB. If you are Post Processing make sure that you convert to sRGB before saving as a JPEG. Another possibility is that one camera is set to a Neutral Picture Control and the other to a Vivid Picture Control. DG

I have made a suggestion regarding a "total profile" - this would be an added argument for that proposal. I agree with your suggestion. DG

Ican only think that it is something to do with the original file's sound properties? Dg

Why XVid? Try MPEG4-H.264 or MPEG4-ASP? DG

Frans, I make the assumption that the original avi has good quality sound? If you then set the MPEG-4 quality settings to High it should give a good result. do you know the quality settings for the originals? DG

Can anyone translate the following (from the spec of my TV) into PTE settings? MPEG-2 MP@ML/MH H.264/MPEG-4 AVC MP/HP @L4 I'm not too worried about the second one because the default MPEG-4 from PTE fits the bill. The spec sort of suggests that I should be able to use MPEG-2 but ............... DG

Thanks for the info Peter. MPEG4-ASP is in Creating AVI Video File - Custom. I think that what you created is a DEFAULT MPEG4-ASP.(.mpg?) The advantage of being able to use that is the possibilty of lower file sizes. I always use MPEG4 (H.264) Highest quality setting. My son has a couple of Samsungs - I shall take my USB Key with me next visit! DG What this says to me is that if you were going to visit someone armed with a USB Key with the intention of showing them your masterpieces then you had better go prepared, with more than one variety of video file???

I think that you meant MPEG4-ASP? I would be interested to know which make of TV set this type of file plays on? It won't work on my Sony Bravia through the USB port. DG

Brian, Many thanks for the technical backup but I'm really only interested in what happens when you plug A into B and try to play C on it. C is the common denominator - a bog standard DVD made in PTE with default settings. A is one of two things - either a Standard (old fashioned) DVD player or a new BR Player. There are variations on both versions of A. B is a bog standard Sony Bravia (in my case) TV with a built in Media Player. So far the indications are tha BR Players when connected to B will play in a manner which does not display the cropping associated with TV Safe Zone. Whilst I realise that the old fashioned DVD players are rapidly becoming museum pieces there are still some out there - I know - I have two. Once again - thanks, DG

Further information: Mpeg4.H264 (.mp4) files work on a Sony Bravia TV Media Player (USB) as stated above. No TV Safe requirement needed. The same TV does not support MPEG4-ASP (.avi) and neither does it support MPEG2 (.mpg) files. DG

Freddy, You should be able to drag the AVI files from their folder into the Slide List just as you would a JPEG etc. Then go to PUBLISH and choose HD Video MPEG4 - the output file will play on your TV via USB or Wi-Fi. DG

Thanks Stu, I have two older DVD Players available to me. First is a Sony HDD Recorder with built in DVD Burner Player. Now obsolete since the Digital Switchover. Still handy for downloading from my Sky HDD+ Box and making the odd DVD. A Philips Standard DVD Player. Both use Scart to connect to the TV. Both display "TV Safe" effects when played into the HD TV. DG

Come on Stu I'm waiting. DG

Barry, Thanks. this confirms what Peter has reported but without the standard dvd player test with the same dvd is only half of the test. I have no need to upgrade to BR because we never watch films etc on dvd but if the BR does this then I will probably upgrade-they are not expensive these days. DG

Ken, Interesting. I have been using sony bravia/ usb approach for a couple of years and never experienced cut off. We could discuss this later or offline if you wish? Right now I am primarily interested in the result of my request if you able to do it? Thanks. DG

You've picked it up wrong. We are talking about a standard dvd made in videobuilder in 16:9 format. When playing such a dvd back on a. standard dvd player I am seeing the effects of TV safe zone on a HD tv. cropping at the edges. Peter is seeing a similar dvd played back on a BR player without the cropping. I am looking for someone who is able to try both with the same dvd. Dg

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Freddy, I don't think that there would be any advantage in doing this. My Sony is the same - the Media Player only recognizes MPEG4. You could put the AVI files into a PTE Project and output the the project as an MPEG4 from there. You could put multiple AVIs in the same PTE project. The Sony would then recognize them. DG

Is anyone out there able to help with a comparison between a Standard DVD Player and a BluRay DVD Player when playing Standard DVDs made in PTE? We are talking about Stand-alone DVD Players and not the BR Player installed in PC / Laptops. The test is this: Play the same DVD made from a PTE project (1920x1080 prefered) in both players and note whether there is any difference between the two with regard to cut off produced by TV Safe Zone on the standard player. Please note that it is normal to connect BR Players via HDMI and any other method would not be valid for this test. Your help is appreciated. DG

Ummmmm no, 1920x1080 and then "% of slide to show Main Image" with a setting of 90-92%. DG